kids. Now their kids are grown. I’m proud that I was able to impact their lives; it feels like a family. At HKS, in certain cities after the pandemic, it was hard to get staff back into the office to work. My furthest employee is 28 miles away. Here in Utah, that’s about 28 minutes. In New York, Chicago, Dallas, Atlanta or San Francisco, that’s an hour to an hour and a half. So, we have the highest average daily occupancy in the United States of all our HKS offices. That tells me that people like to be where they are. It’s a team sport, architecture. And the team likes to be together. We’ve proven that we could do the work remotely, but at least here in Salt Lake, we prefer to be together. Any disappointments along the way? My only regret is that I didn’t find the arts until 14 years ago. If I had to do it all over again, I would have gotten into the arts from the very beginning. There’s something about the arts that is just completely different. It brings people into the spaces that we create in a completely different way. They are spaces that captivate people; they’re special places. There is a significant difference in doing user group meetings. There is a difference between doctors, nurses, technicians, conductors and ballerinas. In every practice I work in, there’s a passion: to have the best hotel, to have the best hospital. Give an artist a space and he or she will do it. Give them a better space, and they’ll be better at it. I’d say it’s more of a passion than a career. It’s not a job. It’s what they do. You’ve been doing architecture since the 70s. How has it evolved? For the first eight to ten years there were changes, but they were fairly minor changes. As an example, at HKS we went from paper to Mylar drawings. We had to learn how to use plastic pencils as opposed to lead. We used ink but it was different on Mylar. So that was a little change. I’m old enough to remember when we used a pin bar. I would do all of my details at 8-1/2 × 11 on Mylar sheets, and we would tape them to a sheet. We would send it to the printer, and a mylar was made at 50% or 100%, and that would be our sheet. That was a little bit of a change. 9
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